A very good question..... refer to the Traditions

Gledwood asked...

Can I ask you something about AA~??

Is it true you are meant to turn up "sober"? Are there any rules about this?

Please tell as I'm fascinated. I've only been to 2 AA meetings and everyone but me there claimed to have pissed and shat the bed due to their drinking... my main prob's drugs so NA has been my main one

I'm not 100% sure about NA ... some people there seem to take it rather too literally without working it out for themselves... though having said that I've seen it does work for those who "keep coming back and work it"

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Heres mine...

Hi Gledwood, thanks for stopping by. Good question!!

I must say that everything I will say, is my experience and my interpretation of the traditions in action TODAY. If you ask the same questions tomorrow, I may have learned something, looked at it from another angle and changed my mind on something! I do not speak for AA as a whole. GSO in York would give you more of a general take on this.

Ok, heres my take on it... got your coffee....ready??

"Sober" I am not sure exactly what you mean by this? not obviously drunk/24 hours+ continuous sobriety/had a drink but not noisy/not having mood altering substance inside them?

There are NO RULES that you HAVE to turn up to AA meetings sober full stop. There are no AA rules fullstop.

Most people I see at AA meetings havent drank that day i dont think!, some have though and are welcome. In the spirit of "Tradition 1 Our common welfare should come first; personal recovery depends upon A.A. unity". Some groups do ask "noisy drunks" to leave the meetings, and to come back when they are ready to hear the message. Most AA's I know will continue to offer support to that same "still suffering" outside of the meeting. It is said that the "noisy drunk" is not in a position AT THAT MOMENT to hear the message and the group must be protected for the newcomer who is ready THAT DAY. The group must continue to stay strong for the suffering alcoholic to come back to when they are ready to hear the message.

Also many people I know/meet come to AA meetings to pass on and hear the message of recovery, experience, strength and hope... as opposed to a listening to a noisy drunk, we did enough of that in pubs, some of us were the noisy drunk!!

Having said all that not everyone that turns up to an AA meeting having had a drink that day or hour is noisy, and most people I have met, who have had a drink just want to sit and be quiet and not want a big deal made of it. At my home groups we welcome anyone into an AA meeting whether had a drink or not.

I have seen a noisy drunk asked to leave a meeting when they continued to disrupt the meeting, AFTER being asked to be quiet politely. I have seen a fight break out, they didnt come back of their own accord, no-one barred them.

We are dealing with alcohol and alcoholics, lack of Power is massive, compassion is asked for. In the spirit of "Tradition 4 Each group should be autonomous except in matters affecting other groups or A.A. as a whole". you may have come across a meeting which has and will ask someone to leave, and thats probably because its the conscience of the group to do that. And Tradition 4 says thats ok.

One could say that its a fine line, to ask a drunk to leave, and not in the spirit of "Tradition 3. The only requirement for A.A. membership is a desire to stop drinking" BUT would you ask anyone if they have the desire to stop drinking, before letting them in a meeting? I wouldnt.

So for what its worth, I would only apply tradition 1, regarding the noisy drunk or someone disrupting the meeting fullstop, in asking someone to leave a meeting.

Regarding "everyone" sharing loss of bladder/bowel control. I always suggest to people if they can, try and not judge AA in a few meetings, and to stick with people they come across who seem comfortable and conduct themselves in a way which is appealing. And to stay away from people who dont. I notice you are in London, there are over 700 meetings, if you have a Where To Find meeting directory, try beginner or newcomer meetings and or step meetings... on the whole I find them more reliably message carrying... although I havent tried them all!! All meetings are different, Trad 4, if you keep on going you will eventually find what you are looking for.

I hope that answers your question. I wish you you much peace in your recovery, I haven't been to NA, so I cannot compare sorry. But if you are not sure which fellowship, and would like to try AA again, then give it another go?

Thanks for stopping by, great thought provoker!!

Recovery love

Johno

ps I just saw you said "my main prob's drugs so NA has been my main one"

so apologies where I said "if you are not sure which fellowship"

whats occurring?

you know I have to not take myself very seriously
because I just see so much crazyness everywhere

I can analyse to the 'enth degree

really if you look at lots of "serious" things
they are absurd somewhere along the line

Yeh I have to not take life so damn seriously, grimly
although I so take responsibility where required

I am crazy
I am also very sane

I have a sense of humour
I also have can be serious

I can laugh
I can cry

I can show no emotion
I can show an emotion

Rule #62 is about not taking things so seriously

Life can be enjoyed
Life can be endured
or both as it seems to be at times

Its great to be predictable without trying
its great not to be predictable without trying

I try to understand that I dont understand people
and I accept at times you
too will not understand me, but I am powerless
as to whether you understand that you will not understand me

get it?

I am what I am
I am who I am

I am afraid
I have faith

Nothing is permanent here inside and out of me
nothing goes away forever
and nothing stays forever either

I could change that previous post
from blogging to thinking
from thinking to eating
from eating to breathing
breathing to afraid
afraid to happiness
happiness to the rain
the rain to the sun
sun to defects

not all the examples would work
but you get my gist

there are tonnes of things I am powerless over
I could analyse til the "cows come home"

I have been brain washed
My mind needed a cleanse
I have had a huge psychological shift
occur within and its still shifting
grade 100 on the rickter scale
I have been reborn
rather like some Jesus followers I know
Who see the light from jesus
and rejoice

There are many rooms in Gods mansion
like jesus talks about in (John 14)
a large section on G wing being
recovery rooms
Theres a huge operating theatre
for spiritual surgery
I has a massive spiritual awakening
during a 12 step operation
over a period of a few years

I have walked around a few other rooms
in the mansion, they all generally feel nice
and welcoming
most people are friendly and doing their thing

AA has no monopoly on sobriety, staying sober
(see forward to 2nd edition big book)
or the path to enlightenment
I am happy with that
AA is just a beginning
AA is a really good starting point
AA is a really good reference point
FOR ME

I am really glad to hear when people get sober
without AA, as its yet another drunk
who hasnt died from this stuff
Its also another avenue to suggest
when people find AA isnt actually working for them
as happens at times

I have just found what works for me
As yet, it works when I work it
it dont when I dont

I am not cured
most people I know over 10, 20 years sober
behave and think differently to me
in fact thinking about it
most people think and behave differently to me
I have given up trying to understand them
or expecting them to understand me

Do you have people around you who
behave and think exactly like you?
Do you really?

God is always around when I need him
and always delivers what I need

I am off to bed, I am very TIRED
good night
God bless